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[Languages] English in Medicine

[Languages] English in Medicine

  1. Psy
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    [Languages] English in Medicine

    i saw this part of mancia and suffered my usual out-of-the-blue brainstorm :P. why is there a part in mancia only for english speakers? what's the connection between health students and the saxon language? i thought that maybe there might be a common pattern among the students posting in this forum, so why not ask them:

    do you think it's useful for a medical student to know more than one language?
    why? / why not?

    from my very personal point of view, being able to understand -any- another language isa key that open doors in several aspects of life, not only medicine.
    but as medicine is our carreer, i'll just talk about that. first of all, i'm using my english nowadays a lot when it comes to do some research with stuff that is yet not translated to spanish, such as some web pages my head of class proffesor reccomends. i'm also finding english handy when it comes to use some atlas online, such as my netter, which is completely in english. while some other people could waste really usefull time trying to figure out what a "surface" is, i take it really naturally, and that's really cool if you ask me :P.
    well, just that. feel free to say anything regarding languages and medicine here.
    take care xP!
    Juan/John (my english teacher calls me that... "Juan" is kind of hard to say while you are speaking with an accent xD)
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    The connection isn't necessarily between medstudents and the English language. The problem is that the most novel research is published in English, and by that fact we are virtually required to at least achieve a particular level of competence in English so that we may remain updated on the latest information, reviews and research.

    English is, in my humble opinion, crucial to the medstudent and aspiring physician. Other languages not so much, but English in particular. The rest can be learned but not knowing them will not detract you in the professional world.
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    The connection isn't necessarily between medstudents and the English language. The problem is that the most novel research is published in English, and by that fact we are virtually required to at least achieve a particular level of competence in English so that we may remain updated on the latest information, reviews and research.

    English is, in my humble opinion, crucial to the medstudent and aspiring physician. Other languages not so much, but English in particular. The rest can be learned but not knowing them will not detract you in the professional world.
    I've got almost nothing to add to your comment. I completely agree with you.

    I think that, now matter why or how, english became the universal language, not only for medicine, but for people in general, in everyday issues. And when it comes to science... all the relevant and newest information is published in english. And by the time the spanish version becomes available, the info is not that new anymore.

    On the other hand... I think that languages are a way of expanding our intellects, a way of getting to know other cultures without needing a 'conversion'. Everything is more real if you can take it in its original form.
    Obviously, it's impossible for us to learn every existing language... but I would if I could!!

    Some years ago, I decided that I wanted to learn the russian alphabet (Cyrillic).... so I did!
    Now I can almost read a text in russian... although I don't understand almost anything!
    However, I realized that some words are similar in pronunciation to those words in spanish or in english... of course, once you know how to read them!

    Other language that I like is italian, since half of my heritage is italian.... and I know a few words, and I can read it quite well.
    And the other language that interested me a few years ago, was romanian... as the last 25% of my genes are romanian!!
    I even listened to radios on internet... and tried to read some pages. It was surprising to find out that it was a latin language, but with many slavic influence. So... it sounds a little bit like italian, but spoken by russians!! he he

    That's all I have to say

    I really should go to bed early today... 'cause I have to work tomorrow!!!

    CYA!

    Matute MD
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    Yo entro al foro de inglés y escribo en español-castellano.

    Soy re heavy-re jodido(?)

    Idioma Inglés: te odio!!!! con toda mi alma!!!!

    I hate you, but I need to learn you!
  5. Psy
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    guys, i said that english was usefull for every aspect of life in the very first message -.-"!!!
    anyway, we all agree then that it is not ADVISABLE to leave english behind if you are going to work as a doctor, and you want to be updated.
    so john, you should give it a try :P...
    i wonder why he hates it...
    i wonder how can anybody get to HATE a language xD...
    anyway...
    dead thread xP!
    John/Juan/Psy/Pesy
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    I´m running now to the faculty. Yes, most students speak english, and they think that they´re smart just because of this. Why don´t you learn chinese? Then we´ll see who is the smartest guy.
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    I personally don't find chinese usefull for anything except for one thing: Askins for chinese food with a good pronunciation. On the opossite, I do find stuying english as a very usefull tool for the future.

    Anyway, I've never seen someone who belive that is smarter just because he/she studies english.

    best regards,
    Nacho
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    hey people
    how are u? im sorry ive been so "lost" lately, but uni makes me this BUU jajajaja now for real.
    i dont think that knowing english is for smart people, on the contrary english is a really easy language (im sorry if im offending anyone!) but for real, its easier to learn english than spanish or chinese; thats why (i think) it become such a popular language (plus that the US and England are some of the most powerful countries around the world nowadays)
    its not only useful to medicine studients, but the everybody.
    when u are looking for a job, most of them request english, u need english to read some stuff, such as school things or news. if u are lucky enough to be able to travel around the world im pretty sure that 6 of 10 people will know english in any country that u visit, or at least know the basics to be able to understand what u are saying.
    and by the way my boyfriend speaks chinese and english and he doesnt feel smarter than anyone. on the contrary, he actually thinks that knowing spanish would be better, cause even chinese is a really hard language its useless.
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    There is at least one country where you will be totally lost if you try to speak English to the locals: France.


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    There is at least one country where you will be totally lost if you try to speak English to the locals: France.
    jaja really? i didnt know that :P
    my aunt told me so, but i thought it was cause her horrible english :X lol
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    HI everyone...
    I love english, I`ve learned it since i was 8 years old so it is kind of a part of me....
    unfortunately, whether some people like it or not, if you don´t learn it you will be in trouble in the future... it´s like the international language (even though what you said about france is true... and french is the medicine language....)
    Anyone who may be interested in getting help with it.. let me know.. i will be more than glad to try to make you... not love it... but appreciate it...
    take care!!

    ps: i have a confession: everytime i read what u write i check all the grammar (i dont mean to, it just happens... again... part of me.... sorry .....the worst part is that i´m sure i commit many mistakes myself... anyway)
    Karla!!
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    jaja really? i didnt know that :P
    my aunt told me so, but i thought it was cause her horrible english :X lol
    They're too damn proud to speak anything that isn't French. Heh.


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    I think it's really helpful for a medstudent to have at least a basic knowledge of English. Unfortunately for us, most cientific advances take place in the US or other English-speaking countries, and not everything is translated to Spanish.
    But the thing is, it's pretty hard for those who have reach our age and have never had the chance to learn English before, to begin now. I particularly have grown with this as a 2nd language, it's already part of me. But when you're a kid it's a lot easier to learn another language. Kids are like sponges for this things. But, no offense, there is nothing more irritating than adults who are unfamiliar with English, trying to pronnunciate correctly English words (my mom doesn't seem to understand when I correct her. I'm starting to think her tongue is made of wood...) Anyway, I think it's very productive to know at least a little English, so those who know nothing about it and want to begin learning it now, have all my support. Although, now that I realize.. whoever who wants to learn English now from zero, is not gonna understand a thing of what I'm writing...
    I also find very interesting the idea of learning German. Does anyone know if it is very difficult?
    Editado por Julietitaa en 31-May-2007 a las 11:29 PM


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    in my opinion germans pretty difficult :P
    ive got a german friend and when she speaks im like "huh??" :P and my studients mom is german and she tried to teach me something once and i went like "ohh ok i stick with the english thanks :P"
    but maybe its just me, like, id love to learn french but i have serious problems with acute accents and french has millons :P
    +about the grammar, i suck at it!!!!!! i hate it lol, i do know it, but im not really use to use it a lot. americans suck at grammar pretty bad and im use to that.
    when im at work i use it cause i need it :P but when im over the net writting or chatting i tend to forget about grammar, cause my friends dont pay attention to it. even more sometimes i gotta be like "hey please, use the auxiliar at least once, ok?" JAJAJAJAJA
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    I personally don't find chinese usefull for anything except for one thing: Askins for chinese food with a good pronunciation. On the opossite, I do find stuying english as a very usefull tool for the future.

    Anyway, I've never seen someone who belive that is smarter just because he/she studies english.

    best regards,
    Nacho
    Wow! You didnt even miss a key!!! (just joking!)

    Guys, I really hate English, and I hate EVERITHING that has to do with it..although, it doesnt look like it, right? . But thank god (or whatever is out there...we have a huge thread out there to argue about that) he compensated me with an almost natural accent, good pronunciation, and a non-crapy grammar HOWEVER he took mi genetic map and wipped his ass with it! so..we are even!

    What I wanted to say is: English is very important...but I give a damn about it. Period.

    SaludoUs! ()

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    Wow! You didnt even miss a key!!! (just joking!)

    Guys, I really hate English, and I hate EVERITHING that has to do with it..although, it doesnt look like it, right? . But thank god (or whatever is out there...we have a huge thread out there to argue about that) he compensated me with an almost natural accent, good pronunciation, and a non-crapy grammar HOWEVER he took mi genetic map and wipped his ass with it! so..we are even!

    What I wanted to say is: English is very important...but I give a damn about it. Period.

    SaludoUs! ()
    lol
    can i ask u something? what do u mean by "i hate everything that has to do with english" ? u mean u hate americans and english people?
    cause my brother hates americans, but for real, he doesnt even say "hola" to them, and i find that pretty stupid (im not trying to start a fight!) americans are people just like US! that their president sucks BIG time has nothing to do with the way that each person is. of course there are bad people, but here too, in any country ull find horrible persons :P
    i dunno i have american friends, my boyfriends american and i cant complain about anything to any of them.
    sure they have different habits (really...who eats dinner at 6.30?.......) but they are regular people :P really if u kick them, they get hurt :P ive tried it JAJAJAJAJAJAJAJA
    sorry i needed to say that cause my brother doesnt even say hola to them and it pisses me off that he doesnt get the fact that they are people too :P
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    Mmm I still think that they are crap, but hey...who am I to judge`em huh?

    I`d rather speak about nicer things...soooo, languages are beautifull, and I`d like to speak em all! unfortunatelly, I dont have the time to learn...

    Have you ever thought about this? a lot of us speak enligsh...but how many of us speaks Portuguese? I dont...and it happened to me that I was talking with a customer (he was at US) and he was Brazilian..however, he didnt speak spanish and I dont speak portuguese....so the only language we could use was english...kind of sad, isnt it? we are neibourghs and we dont know each others`s languages!

    Saluds!

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    i really wonder how you guys can turn something so simple and plain as "is it english important for medicine students or not?" into an intrincated labyrinth of values and moral and ethical dilemas with every post you ever read...
    you certainly cant get bored ever, do you xD?
    anyway, i just wanted to say im surprised of how this thread evolved from a simple "yes or no" question in something realtively important, and worth to read.
    its really a pity that i just happen to be suffering from an attack of lazyness, and therefore, im not able to fullfil my inner intentions to absorb with delightment the bunch of colourfull opinions im sure you have posted here. then, with the ache in the heart of a suffering young philosopher, i must say i will be gone for now, just to be back with a renewed strength and vitality in the days to come, to try to give you my very personal and humble opinion of what you've stated above.
    said that,
    farewell, my fellow partners.
    Sir John McHampletonshiresondrew.
    Ps: it took me like 20 mins to write that down. i just keep pretending i can talk like people in the 'gilmore girls', in a cunning, witty and extremely-fast kind of way... im just a dreaaaamerrrrr... (8)
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    Ah, wit and a glib tongue, the dream of many men.


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    Anyhow, english is usefull for papers that are published only in that language.

    Saluds!

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    I enjoyed reading all what you've written, it was very interesting and even funny!!
    (french people don't have problems only with english but with all languages that aren't Français... )

    I don't want make Psy angry so :
    do you think it's useful for a medical student to know more than one language?
    why? / why not?


    I say : Yes, I do
    Because: ...euh...for the same reasons you quoted...(my english is unfortunately too bad and expressing my opinions by myself would be a real big circus... )
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    hello everyone! sorry if i extend too much :$
    i suffer of lack of measure when writing

    i must say i'm surprised about the high english level available here! ALTA CULTURA!
    people! we are sooo cultured!!! our parents must be so proud! =P

    the thing with english is that it's a big language. i don't mean it in the "complex" way, but that is profoundly spread worldwide. in most 3º world countries (such as our own), english is taught as a second language, because we all know it's a skill required when applying to a job, no matter the field or activity, or if you're even going to use it! that's just how the market works-

    somehow being able to handle more than your own native language, speaks of your mind's flexibility and capability to handle different paradigms; and to be cross-cultured gives you an "open-minded" status so very useful when speaking of your ability in human intercourses. it's not to be smarter or better- just different. and maybe that is the difference that makes you your employer's choice

    but! we are not talking about the job market right now-

    the point is to be more capable of communicating. being able to read scientific papers (websites, magazines, even watching documentaries or whatever) gives you more chances to become a more updated physician. there are many tools available to learn and to research when you understand and are fluent in english (british or american, nowadays that is not that relevant)

    so i must say, that it's quite important to be fluent or at least have an intermediate/advanced level of english when becoming a college-degree-holder. it's not about the career you've chosen, but about the level of education you have achieved.

    for me, it's "unthinkable" (sounds like too much, but it's the word i came up with :$) of a doctor not knowing other languages, because our field is "the human". and humans not always speak perfect porteño spanish
    we should be trained in languages such as the sign laguage, english, portuguese and others- because our community is quite diverse and also there is the possibility of participating in international conferences

    the other day a professor handed in a cd with some papers on proteins blah blah... they are all in english. not even one translated! those who can't read english will miss the info. and that's a real pity-




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    The archaic chauvenist in me says: Women should learn romance languages. The Germanic languages are better suited to women in latex outfits with thigh high boots and leather whips.
    ohhh!!! we all love naughty boys! don't we girls?
    the porteño classic --> "spank me and call me martha"!?




    btw: there is no other word in the english language to refer to a citizen of the US. if you are referring to a US citizen in spanish as an "americano/a" then get mad about it! (and do not be afraid of being called stupid 'cause you'll be right about complaining)
    but people, as long as we are talking in english, the word my friends, is "american"- sorry!



    i salute you all my dear multiskilled university mates
    Editado por veritush en 18-Jun-2007 a las 07:06 PM Razón: grammar mistake
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    tetengo un pregunta

    haber si me sacas un duda que tengo . . . .Como se traduciria bomba extracorporea: es cuando en una cirugia cardiaca conectas al paciente a una bomba que actua como corazon

    desde ya muchas gracias
    Agus

    Editado por Matías Perez Artuso en 29-Jan-2008 a las 10:55 PM Razón: Inadecuado Formato de Fuentes
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    Creo que era algo asi como "extracorporeal circulation" o algo asi. O "cardiac by pass" tambien, creo.


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    [quote=Dr. Matute;37703]I've got almost nothing to add to your comment. I completely agree with you.

    I think that, now matter why or how, english became the universal language, not only for medicine, but for people in general, in everyday issues. And when it comes to science... all the relevant and newest information is published in english. And by the time the spanish version becomes available, the info is not that new anymore.

    On the other hand... I think that languages are a way of expanding our intellects, a way of getting to know other cultures without needing a 'conversion'. Everything is more real if you can take it in its original form.
    Obviously, it's impossible for us to learn every existing language... but I would if I could!!

    I definetely agree with you in almost everything that you said. I must admit English is becoming more and more popular nowadays and that`s why I really appreciate my parents sent me to learn it many years ago. Because, as everybody knows it`s miles better learning things in the early ages than in the adult time. But coming back to the point, I would like to say that learning another language (french f.e) is not a bad option at all. Perhaps because i really like it, and as my French teacher used to say, English is not a language in France. (they 'd rather listen you speaking in spanish)
    So, what i really want to say is that knowledge is always welcome and it makes us more comprehensive and openminded (but not at all smarter), because it also involves learning new cultures. I really like italian too and Portuguese, which adding french are all latin languages and so they ressemble to each other.
    Finally, English is certainly an important language, but, in my opinion we shouldn't stop learning more languages, or at least keep trying to improve our comunication abilities, not only for our medicine goals but for our personal ambitions
    Clau
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    the most novel research is published in English, and by that fact we are virtually required to at least achieve a particular level of competence in English so that we may remain updated on the latest information, reviews and research.
    It is just like tincho said, it is really importatnt to be updated in medicine.
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    I'm affraid that best text books are translated into english, that goes for every subject. In small population countries as The Netherlands, text books are in english because if they publish a dutch written book about "pediatrics" it will be only read by dutch as well.
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    English

    Hi!
    After reading all the post I would like to add my thoughts!
    First: English is important! and not just for med students or MD's! Today, english is the international language... you like it or not!! I would love to be able to say the same for spanish or portuguese or french... but unfortunately if you want to comunicate english is the way to go!
    Sucks... even though I am in USA and I hope my english has improved in the past six years it was hard but I did it because I truly believe that to be a doctor you really need to learn english! yeah... there are papers on spanish, french, chinese... but 99% of the literature right now is in english.
    I felt really sad when I meet an argentinean doctor coming back from a medical meeting in USA and at the airport, he coudn't understand the clerk telling him something about his luggage! What he did in the meeting?? medical tourism??...
    I could have gone to spain, but my spanish was fine... that's was another reason why I came to USA.... I had a "base" but it took me six months to really jump start my english working in a english speaking enviroment.
    I have two children and I am fighting to keep them bi lingual in spanish/english.. the next task will be to teach them chinese (and I may jump with them)
    Thank you everybody!
    RDB
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    Teaching your children to speak Chinese is plain evil.


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    somehow being able to handle more than your own native language, speaks of your mind's flexibility and capability to handle different paradigms
    Very nicely phrased! My thoughts exactly on the matter. Culture in its broad sense seems to have that effect on the human mind.
    I for one absolutely adore studying languages: the more, the better. Unfortunately it's a rather time-consuming process... But I'd definitely advise EVERY med student to get a decent level of reading comprehension in English, at the very least...
    I know for a fact that private universities such as CEMIC (nothing too fancy, people, what where you expecting? John Hopkins? lol) have Medical English lessons from day 1. Why should we be any less qualified at the UBA? If you can't afford private education, go to the Lenguas Vivas! It's entirely for free, and I can say from personal experience that the level is EXCELLENT. So there really aren't any excuses.

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    Teaching your children to speak Chinese is plain evil.
    IT IS!!! Poor kids... thanks God I had the laid-back type of parents! Overstimulation can do much more harm than good... I've even heard of some people carrying it to the extreme of paying for a chinese nanny, and piano lessons, and art classes, not to mention sports... no wonder so many kids end up taking Ritalin nowadays! lol
    Besides I really don't understand all this chinese-frenzy. Okay, zillions of people speak it... but how many millions of them are poor farmers who live in desperate conditions in mainland China? Do you really think China will take over the world in the near future or something like that?
    Anyway, with the possible exception of English, I think learning a new language should be an enjoyable process. For me it's pretty much like falling in love: with a region, its culture, its history, its people... and most importantly, with the language itself... You may think I'm crazy but I love to make word games in my head... to think of different ways of saying the same thing and such.
    If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew, to serve your turn long after they are gone,
    And so hold on when there is nothing in you, except the Will which says to them: "Hold on!"
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    English has world-wide acceptance. Almost every place in the world has english speaking citizens, institutions, and you can blame movies or whoever you want, it's more likely you'll end up in an english speaking enviroment than a chinese speaking one.

    Chinese speakers, on the other hand, might be billons but are confined to their side of the world, and have too many dialects.
    I, however, cannot comment on that, but like any other language, it doesn't really hurt to learn, it just takes up time, and opens a few doors that would have remained shut otherwise.

    It is traditional to beleive that the best learning/working opportunities take place in english speaking countries, this is due to their image towards the international community as first world countries, developed and effective in all their social/political/health/economic issues.
    It wouldn't surprise me that the usual "going to the new world of opportunity" concept had perspired into the popular imaginery out of the previously stated image we have of these places, and finding english being suddenly turned into a vital element to achieve this "goal".

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    There is at least one country where you will be totally lost if you try to speak English to the locals: France.
    J'ais de la chance de parler français alors
    Teng o la suerte de hablar en francés entonces
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    I speak both, english and español, and its very usefull to speak two languages, also cause i speak español its very usefull when i read portuguese, i dont know but for me they are very easy to understand. So, yeah people should speak more than just one language at least two, and for me i whant to learn corean (its just too cute) if it not, then speqk esperanto
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    I think that speaking more than one languaje is very usefull. more if one of them is english. It became a universal languaje, I agree with someone above, is easier than others, have simple structures to make a sentence, and ill add that there's less words than in others languajes.(I think! dont get mad if im wrong :P).
    Talking about medicine, a doctor have to speak with the patient and no-one knows.. that patient could be russian and could be his/her first day in the country and is more likely that'd speak english over spanish.
    A person should be able to conect with different "culturely speaking" ppl(yes i just made that term out, correct me if im wrong.) and havin' a decent lvl of others languajes is a very good way to make this.
    I've a question. We're all speaking english 'cuz we're in the International Forum, right ? cuz like you all would notice most of the ppl here is argentinian, and the rest is from a spanish-speaking country. =P
    outstanding thread ! very good question Psy ! ^^
    My bests for all of you ppl !
    c u around
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    my opinion about it is very important to know because more than one language is easier than you open more doors, but if you're a medical ...
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    I Love learning and speaking english and i think that it's very useful, for life!
    I speak a little english, but i try =)
    Sorry for the errors :P
    Good luck!
    Rocío
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